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♪ >> what a day! and we haven't got it all for you on "the young turks" tonight tonight. president obama makes history today, and the evolution has happened. and yes it was tell televised. >> it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that i think same-sex couples should be able to get married. >> we told you he was going to do it, and now president obama has made the colors of the rainbow shine brighter than they ever have. we'll break it down on "the young turks," the politics of it, in the way only we can do. and now it's occupy bank of america. protesters hauled off in cuffs for trying to--
>> freedom of protest and these people have robbed our country yet apparently we're the criminals. >> what were they mad about? they were mad about the ceo compensation package and man you will be too. and then there is a pastor. >> the second you see your son dropping that wrist, you go over there and crack that wrist. >> a reporter confronted pastor smith. you won't believe what he has to say. we have michael hastings, and we'll talk about whether the c.i.a. bomb threat is for real, shouldshould we be scared or not? we have it on a historical day of the "the young turks"." it's go time. ♪ >> an amazing day. you're going to be watching the
footage of the president from now until the day you die. i promise, it's going to be coming up. people will look at it and say my god barack obama looked so young then. it will be in the presidential library. it will be everywhere. at 3:00 p.m. today president obama said he supports gay marriage. this was wan unbelievable moment saying what he felt about gay marriage. what he called an evolving process, a lot of thinking, planning, a lot of organization, and truthfully a reaction to what happened in north carolina yesterday. by a wide margin the gay marriage amendment was upheld because they banned gay imager again when gay marriage had already been banned. it was a disaster, and president obama spoke up today. here he is on "abc news."
>> this is an "abc news" special report. >> i have always been adamant that gay and lesbian americans should be treated fairly and equally. that's why in addition to everything we've done in this administration rolling back don't ask/don't tell so that, you know, outstanding americans can serve our country whether it's no longer defending the marriage act which tried to federalize what historically has been state law. i've stood on the side of broader equality for the lbgt community. >> the president during the interview expounded upon how he got on this decision. it was based a lot on friend and people he knew. staff members specifically. >> um, but i have to tell you over the course of several years, as i talked to friends
and family and maybes, when i think about members of my own staff who are incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, raising kids together. when i think about those soldiers airmen, marines sailor who is are out there fighting on my behalf, and yet feel constrained even now that don't ask/don't tell is gone because they're not able to commit themselves in a marriage. >> i love when the president said, my neighbors. who are the president's neighbors? but then of course there was the moment everyone was waiting to hear talking about how he feels personally. >> at a certain point i just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that i think
same-sex couples should be able to get married. >> well, i'm lucky enough to be joined again by michael hastings of "rolling stone," and buzzfeed, and patricia shah rose from brown university, which is known as the university of virginia of the north. on this day you've been speaking to people around the white house, around the campaign. >> right. >> what have you learned about how the president got to this point? >> i've been working the phones and my sources over the last 72 hours, the president has taken a stand. we know that mrs. obama wanted him to come out on this. we know his kids, top level members of his staff who are openly gay who he has been listening to. but the final straw according to a top campaign source, we were always going to do something this year, but the vice president revealed our hand a little early. and here we have the vice president revealing his hand on meet the"meet the press" three days
ago. >> i'm absolutely comfortable men marrying men and women marrying women and heterosexuals marrying, they are all entitled to the same act rights the same civil liberties. >> one of the by-products you michael and trisha, we all wondered what it would mean for the president. now there is the effects on the romney campaign cannot be overlooked at all. here is mitt romney talking about the president's remarks. >> i have the same view on marriage that i had when i was governor, and i've expressed many times. i believe marriage is a relationship between man and a woman. i know other people have different views. this is a very tender and sensitive topic as are many social issues. but i'm of the same view as since running for office. >> you know, i think that was mitt romney speaking in oklahoma city.
i think when you hear mitt romney here, this is something that he has not flipped flopped on. >> which is exceptional. >> which is refreshing. there was a bit of levity because www.current.com captured something. he it didn't stay there very long but there is the headline on fox nations website. obama flip flops and declares war on marriage. they've sense taken it down. but they're also showing cleavage and nudist capital of the world. >> and they're differentiating themselves on mitt romney on this. they are saying that mitt romney doesn't care about gay people, he doesn't care about lesbians. >> but rereally do have to take very seriously the fact that this was a brave gesture without a shadow of a doubt but obama is going to take a beating from the right wing. they are waiting for this type of fodder. this is an significant amount of interest in fighting gay
marriage. north carolina's vote you discussed proves it, and we should understand this as a long-term and vicious battle. >> one that he was going to do any way. he was going to take a beating any way. >> now it's longer. >> that's right. earlier i spoke with gav newsom also a colleague of ours on current tv. first i asked him if this was a water shed event in american history. >> in the first sitting president in the history of this country that used those words i support same-sex marriage is real courage. he's running for re-election in a very close election where he has to pick up these swing states. it was a point of remarkable courage. >> the president as a candidate right now what has he done for himself? >> he has now in psychological terms become congruent. his words matches actions. he has now become once again the president we elected a few years ago. he's followed through on so many commitments, now he's standing
up on principle. he was about authenticity. he was about audacity. he was about changing the polls not just reading the polls. now he has reinforced that to millions of people who may disagree with him they see a different level of conviction. we want strength and leadership, particularly as we contrast the romney campaign that is on all sides of all issues. it's a good contrast. it's a good point. we'll have an energized base. >> it did come after a period of delay, after a period of evolution. listen, we all have evolving thoughts. what do you surmise the reason for the delay and b what put him over? >> i thought about this for years. i was in the middle of this debate in 2004. i remember doing events for then candidate obama for the u.s. senate, and i knew he had strong opinions on this. i always understood the politics as well as or better than many
because i was always in the thick of it. at the end of the day to do it this close out to an collection is an extraordinary thick thing. >> this is sharing something personal, what happens. >> he's not chef justice of the supreme court. ultimately this is where this will end up. just as interracial marriage ended up in the supreme court. this is where this will end up. we'll ultimately address this. >> current teach's only gavin newsom talking with me earlier. guys, thanks for being with me and we'll see you later in the show, but i do want to talk to you a little bit about what is happening now in the politics of it. there is the whole idea that gay money has replaced the wall street money that has fallen out of the coffers of the obama campaign. if that is true, this should go a long way to help that.
let's go now to that. >> gay money has replaced wall street money. it has become a very important part of the fundraising operation. >> i'm joined now by ted johnson, and ted what i just said is true. they said that 1 in 6 of the bungers of the obama campaign is gay. an a lot of the money coming in for the campaign is from hollywood, and they have historically supported gay rights. what will be the upside for the obama campaign in hollywood. >> enthusiasm. obama will be out in los angeles raising money at george clooney's home. there has been this suspicion that there would be awkward moments when obama would be confronted on this issue. some donor would ask him about it would be asked in an q and a session. now it won't happen.
this will be more of jubilation, there will be a lot of congratulations for the president for taking this stance. >> that's incredible. we all know about this big event, this george clooney event, and certainly living here in los angeles we've heard quite a bit about it. was there any sense going into it that these people were dragging their heels to support their president because the president had a good record on gay rights prior to this announcement. >> this had sold out quite early on. they had anticipated raising a record amount, $12 million possibly at the end of the evening, which would shatter all records. nevertheless, it's not that hard to find donors who were still kind of, like, you know what, i have donor fatigue. this election isn't like 2008. this decision on the part of the president actually could inject something historic into this presidential race. the idea that he took a stance where it didn't clear whether this is actually going to help
him or hurt him. i think it's going to resonate with a lot of voters and a lot of donors, especially out here in the entertainment community. >> at $40,000 a plate, which is what this is reported to be, is that unusual or is this the kind of thing that hollywood honchos are used to. >> that is actually a lot of money, even for this industry, they have to think twice before writing these checks. that is the amount that they were raising in this period in 2008. this is the combination of money that goes to the campaign and the democratic committee, as well as some state party. >> that's a whole lot of money. >> that's a whole lot of money. >> ted johnson of variety magazine, thank you for being with us. i appreciate it. are you going to get to that dinner tomorrow? >> unfortunately not. >> $40,000 come on. [chuckling] we have shareholders in revolt. bank of america shareholder meeting, and see what happens at one of those big banks. [yelling]
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precise. that's where bank of america was holding their annual shareholders meeting. they were greeted by hundreds and hundreds of protesters. hear what some of the protesters had to say. >> we're trying to exercise our freedom of protest and point out the fact that these people have robbed our country, yet apparently we're the criminals. >> going to get the message out to the american people that i meanwhile millions of people are being foreclosed upon, bank of america executives are being paled millions of dollars in bonuses. >> the people have to rise and do something. we have to push president obama. we have to you can eric holder. hold--we have to push eric holder. we have to get these criminals indicted like the criminals that they are. >> the protesters were not allowed into the shareholder meeting. there were no cameras there. but we do know some of the questions that were asked. one of the questions asked of brian moynahan was this, what is it going to take for bank of
america to start abiding by the law and treating customers fairly. moynahan said, we follow the law every day. bank of america is, quote cleaning up the mess left behind by countrywide. we're doing everything we can. after all this, after all the protest, after all the bad results moynahan got his salary of $7 million upheld by a vote of 92%. 92% of shareholders approved this salary just unbelievable. when you think of the terrible job, and brian moynahan has been perhaps the worst ceo in banking history. since 2010 the value of bank america stocks is down 42%. of course, all of these protests follow shareholder protests of wells fargo certainly of barclays in the u.k. this is what happened at barclays in the united kingdom. >> what we need is regulation. >> regulation means salvation. >> what we need is regulation.
>> i'm concerned about a lot of people, not just the company, of the things that are being run and the risks that are involved in bankruptcies. but the pay continues to be very high. i'm paying these high salaries. >> rejoined of course by michael hastings and trisha rose. and we'll bring in zach carter senior political commenter for "huffington post." break this down for me. this is the dumbest question ever, but tell me, why do they keep approving these ceo salaries? it's incredible to me. moynahan made $9 million in 2010, $7 million last year. it's down, 92% votes said $7 million again is okay. >> well, there are several factors involved in this. historically shareholder resolutions are incredibly difficult to pass, and the things that the company wants to
pass like compensation for top executives tend to pass by wide margins. one of the factors while millions of people own bank of america shares, those shares are managed by large institutional investors, big hedge fund, fidelity, other banks, goldman sachs, and people who work for those companies, first of all they have lots of clients who may have differing views on the matter, so they don't want to do anything controversial. but they also don't want to rock the boat. if you work at goldman sachs your boss doesn't want to see you striking down compensation. >> michael hastings here. are the board aware that there are people in the streets with pitchforks at their head? are they clueless or what? >> no, they're aware. particularly bank of america anti-home closure activists have been coming to their home for years. but this was different particularly around occupy wall street and charlotte was going to be the host city for the
democratic host city in september. but these are guys who pay millions of dollars a year. after getting bailed out it's not easy to pressure these guys. i think the notion of shame that order people have does not apply to people in those boardrooms. >> zach, trisha rose here. i'm interested in moynahan's claim that he's following the law. i wonder if you can speak to--i love that use of law. write it down and make it so, and we follow it. could you speak to deregulation and lobby be efforts and the way they get to look upstanding and appropriate, when in fact, they have quite raided the public interest. >> interesting, inside the meeting there were several shareholders who were disgruntled and had unpleasant things to say about ceo moynahan. one of them pointed out one of the major acts of regulation that occurred in the 1930s
that secured the financial stability of the united states for several years. they ended up buying up crazy countries like countrywide and merrill lynch. they paid $55 million, as it was collapsing. and that company punched a $20 million hole in their balance sheet in two weeks. so those were decisions that were terrible decisions that would have been illegal based on prior law that bank america lobbied for. but when he talks about following the law he specifically is referring to the law surrounding foreclosure documentation. for several years there have been big problems, not just bank of america but at the other large banks actually following that law. there are people who are paid to robo sign documents who claim they have intimate lodge of the oh borrower's mortgage when they do not. and these have consequences for
people. the banks misstated whether borrows have missed payments and the amount of money borrows owe. it's interesting when you have to confront your shareholders and insist you're following the law. >> thank you for being with us and enlightening us a little bit on how that works at shareholder meetings. when we come back we have a pastor in hot water. find out what he says parents should do who have kids who think--think think might be gay. >> go over there and crack that wrist. man up give him a good punch. >> you said give him a good punch. exactly what did you mean?
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>> welcome back to the "the young turks." for as historic a day today was for reasons we'll be talking about for a long time, yesterday was historic because of a vote in north carolina. which we explained to you earlier. but the by-product of all of this talk is that it brings out extraordinary amounts of hate, and it's our duty at "the young turks" to show you where that hate is showing up, and how much so much of our country is so backward. ana kasparian of the "the young turks" has some information about that. >> well, michael, it's pretty unsurprising that north carolina would ban same-sex marriage when they have people like pastor shawn harris running around. pastor shawn hair writ gave a sermon. he was giving advice to parents who believe their children are acting too gay. list watch. >> the second you see your son dropping a limp wrist you walk over there and crack that wrist. man up.
give him a good punch. >> and when your daughter starts acting too butch you rein her in. sometimes you can look like a girl, talk like a girl, smell like a girl. that means you're to go to be beautiful, attractive. >> this man is a crazed maniac advocating violence on children who do not fit his gender roles that he thinks is appropriate. if your little girl acts too butch, or she's into sports, you better straighten her out or punch that boy who is acting too feminine. >> what is shock something there are people who say amen after he is saying it. >> cnn took issue with this. they brought him in on their program. let's see if he is any more remorse.
>> what i learned this week, be careful with your words. i would say straighten. >> what about the punch remark. >> sure, the punch remark, it's amazing how punch is equated to inciting violence against gay youth. that's not what i meant. >> when you said give him a good punch, what exactly did you mean? >> a shove, an affirmation. you see coaches give their players a good punch a good slug. it's affirming gender disticses between a male and female. >> is there anything else you would like to apologize for? >> no, i don't think i need to apologize for preaching to my people what the word of god says. that's not responsibility. >> no, what's incredible he absolutely does not feel any remorse. he probably doesn't like the fact that he got a little criticized. okay i'll change the terminology. instead of a punch a shove.
>> and trisha rose and michael hastings are joining us as well. i like the idea of parenting like a coach. push them around. i didn't mean to say crack it, straighten it. i didn't mean to say punch i mean shove. that makes it better. >> this is a really important moment to pay attention to what it means to be against gay marriage and gay unions. this is determining what ways we get to express ourselves as men women, whoever we want to be. his language is astonishing violent. it isn't about homophobic hate, but parental violence. the congregation should be concerned if they're going to break laws related to attacking people's children. it's just appalling. but it's a very common rhetorical advice, both the amen and the gesture to this. >> how big is this guy's congregation? what is his following? is he the symptom of some larger underground hate that exists in north carolina? >> no, no, no this is not
underground hate. this is not underground. i think this is explicit hate. especially in north carolina where they have gone out of their way to ban same-sex same-sex marriage. it's not like it was legal to again with, but they made sure that same-sex couples cannot get married. it's an issue that needs to be addressed. there are bullies out there who get away with having sermons like this, having public discussions like this. basically inciting violence against people's own children. it's ridiculous. >> the other thing that is fascinating to me, the way that people--they get so worked up over gender identity. you know as if the boundaries of man hold and western civilization is going to crumble unless every man is willing to punch each other over nothing basically. the idea that that is a reasonable way we should behave. it indicates the right-wing's political strategies as we've been following all week. this hyper aggressive magazine mass
could youmasculinity. >> you have five kids, right? >> yes, i do. >> what would you do if one of them came home and said, dad i'm gay. >> well, we would have a conversation about it. i doubt that would happen with my children as we are teaching them the right ways they are to interact as human beings. >> now, tony perkins is with the family research council so it's unsurprising that he would say something like that. but i love it. i love how people become gay because they didn't get the right parenting. >> that was tony perkins trying to sell his anti-gay marriage to the mainstream audience. he's very polite, very political. then you have this other nut with the wrist thing. is there--that's what i'm trying to understand.
how many more--how many people donuts like thisdo nuts like this pastor appeal to. >> to stand against gay marriage. 50%. when you say how many--it's not just that they're saying they don't want--they that they straight people are going to turn gay. they're saying if you're already gay, we don't want you to get married. and we're to go so far in north carolina to say that civil unions between men and women are no longer legal. we'll tell how you sleep with, who you should love and who you care about. it's a huge number of people. it may not be as extreme as the pastor displayed it, but the discomfort, the sense of relief that masculenity and femininity provide. >> and it's important to address people like tony perkins.
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get taken out of context. in that abc report they didn't mention that just a few weeks ago the c.i.a. was expanding drone program in yemen and conveniently a few weeks after that we recovered this big plot, that's why we need more drones and more drone strikes. it's hard to put these things in the proper contexts. >> glenn, do these answers ever get answered? >> well, they get answered but just not like places like "abc news"." there are reporters who went to yemen and came back and wrote a long article and said the greatest thing that happened was the constant killing that the united states does over there. it causes massive amounts of anti-american hatred, and it makes people want to support or join al-qaida. this has not been the
recognition by the u.s. government. there are other reporters doing the same thing. michael does great things. in terms of the establishment media, where the vast majority of people get their news, typically these kinds of issues are never discussed. the question about why there are these people in yemen trying to blow up civilian aircrafts is a question that is never asked. if it is requested it is alluded that they're preliminary primitive fanatics. >> listening to glenn, and knowing that you wrote about this yesterday, michael, what then? if you take that, and we're not talking about the causal issues here, how does the cause become
addressed in our society today? >> both in our government and in our society. >> today was a great day with the obama administration taking a stand. but the biggest plaque mark on the obama administration is the continuation of the bush years the war on terror. it is so insidious because now it's part of american life. it's part of american life to live with war that we're blowing up faceless brown people in other countries because we're under this constant threat from them, and we keep being to do it about it, told about it, as glenn told us, in the most melodramatic terms. that is the biggest concern. are we ready as a country to live with this battle going on in the forever war? >> understood, say i'm going to go opposite both you and glenn here for a second. that being said, whatever the causes were, the causes are, they're still making bombs. they're still making them over there.
what am i supposed to do if i'm president of the united states? what am i supposed to do if i'm congress. >> one thing you could do, for example, let's say you're bleeding from multiple parts of your body, and you reason realize why you're bleeding from multiple parts of your body is because you're stabbing yourself. the first thing you would do is stop stabbing yourself. to stop the bleeding you would stop doing what is causing it. one of the things we ought to do is stop doing the things that is causing the terrorism in the first place. now that doesn't mean that all terrorism will disappear overnight. there will be lingering anti-american hatred. you have law enforcement. you comply with the law, and have caught a lot of people trying to hurt the united states that way, dropping opposite bombs and invading countries is clearly doing the opposite. >> glenn greenwald, thank you for being on "the young turks." michael, we'll be back with you. coming up on "the young turks." we go back to the mansion.
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fun... indulgence... one square inch of bliss. hershey's bliss. >> michael: welcome back. today we show you the conclusion of cenk's interview with hugh hefner at the playboy mansion. the most fascinating part for me was the personal event that led to the founding of the "playboy" empire. >> cenk: what is "playboy" to you? >> the best men's magazine in the world related to the things that i care about, which had to do with an indoor life, a city-oriented life, good food, good drink, pretty ladies, the right car, the right apartment.
turned out there were whole lot of other young men and women who connected with. >> do you think that the sexual revolution was not just about sex, but it was about empowering women in all the different spheres so that they wound up in getting better positions in the workforce, etc.? >> without question. it is sexual repression that kept women in a second-class position historically. it all begins, the subjugation begins in the bedroom. >> was there anything about sex that embarrasses you that if if you were asked you would say wait, that's out of bounds. >> something about sex that embarrasses me? >> cenk: right. >> i guess if be don't do it. >> cenk: what did you think about that? >> i'm essentially a romantic. i do think that my path was
dictated to some extent by the very fact that i was an old fashioned kid in college and my fiancé cheated on me right before we got married. i do think that that was the most devastating experience in my life, and probably prompted me to be a little more concerned in terms of fidelity. >> cenk: has the rest of your history been one giant strike back? >> well, i think everything is more complicated than that, but that played a part. >> cenk: listen to a controversial theory i have about you, and i think a lot of really front strong anti-gay voices are those struggling with their identity. what do you think about that? >> i think that's a good call. i think we have a number of significant instances that suggest that is the case. >> cenk: i often hear them say
well, obviously if you let people, they would go and have gay sex. that seems to be the direction they're going. we all struggle with these childhood fantasies, etc. i thought, do we? [chuckling] it seems like they're playing out their own personal demons in the public sphere. >> i think that's true. >> cenk: you had almost everybody in the world in this playboy mansion. has mitt romney ever been here? >> no, no. >> cenk: would he be welcome? >> sure. >> cenk: you know, people, especially guys see you as the happiest guy in the world. you have everything in their mind. are you the happiest guy in the world? are you actually that happy? >> yes. a fellow who not only accomplishes the things that he set out to do, and managed to change the world in some extent in the process i'll a very lucky cad and a very happy one.
>> michael: he does seem like a happy one. trisha, he is clearly a complicated guy. what do you think of hugh hefner after the interview that cenk did. >> he was an important figure. and there is no question if i had to choose between sexual repression and sexual freedom i would chutes sexual freedom. but the question is are women really sexually free today? that's the fundamental question. no, not really. they're free to exploit themselves for profit when before they were free to stay home and be quiet. but what he ushered in that big cars, sexy women around the poolig sort of culture of basically turning women into objects to be purchased is something that we need to be honest about. now look, it's a twin evil. >> michael: the only person i saw around the pool was cenk. >> yes, yes. >> michael: forget it. you feel that similar are
sexually freer. >> i don't agree that women are sexually freer. there is still a huge double standard. men are free to be as sexual as they want. if women want to be sexually free, they're deemed a. rush limbaugh. one of the things about that video that bothered me was his idea of empowering women is doing exactly what you mentioned, trisha, giving them the opportunity to buy into this lifestyle by exploiting their own sexuality, and i'm not comfortable with that, either. it's weird to talk about how important it is to empower women when you keep a close eye on the women in your mansion. when you don't allow them to go wherever they want to go to. >> michael: the jury will be out on hugh hefner. he's clearly a complicated guy and cenk got a look on that. governor, it's been a historic day in washington, and in america, and i know that you're
going to cover it in-depth. tell me what you got. be an >> iis g foicinatingng to a fascinate fa scnvinsaaton.in g coat younvaierissaon wit corhct the po liistiscal aspects, g wunharet ingyou hto c said is corr ec t.y. the pgrsiountbrf eae kiitedng h isatri rc ogday, the president of the united states recognizing that he as an individual believes that same-sex marriage should be legal. this breaks through so many of the old--not conspiracy, but the old visions of what marriage used to be about and it brings us into a modern era. it will be a fascinateing conversation. it will be interesting to see if this goes backward or forward. this is a historic day. >> i know the current audience will rely on you an your insights on that subject. we look forward to viewpoint at 8:00 p.m. eastern tonight. >> thank you. >> michael: and when we come back here on "the young turks" we'll talk about an old has-been comedian jon lovitz who keeps telling us we don't want to
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warfare in a country where there is no class structure. anybody can go from being broke to being wealthy. >> michael: yes, jon lovitz, fighting for his 16th minute. michael hastings, what do you think about what he's saying here? >> i had the privilege of meet building lovitz. a funnyman. he sounds like a man who just paid a lot of taxes. that can be. >> get. >> a lot of people make a lot of money, but they don't go around saying the kind of things he's saying. obama did not come up with the 99 versus the 1%. he would have been honest and said it was the 99% who are talking about that. there was never a time when we didn't have a class structure. >> that's true. >> now we have a ridge